Comments on: Two important columns on Knox County Stormwater http://knoxvilletennesseeblog.com/index.php/politics/two-important-columns-on-knox-county-stormwater/62/ Everything you want to know about Knoxville Tennessee Tue, 07 Sep 2010 00:51:14 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.7 by: persimmon http://knoxvilletennesseeblog.com/index.php/politics/two-important-columns-on-knox-county-stormwater/62/#comment-265 Sat, 28 Apr 2007 16:56:01 +0000 http://knoxvilletennesseeblog.com/index.php/politics/two-important-columns-on-knox-county-stormwater/62/#comment-265 Lumpy is right that other materials can achieve the same strength and durability as RCP, but the critical characteristic in this context is reliability. Installation of RCP is routine. The pipes are precast and just need to be positioned. With other kinds of pipes, more skill is needed. Concrete might need to be poured or segments might need to be welded or glued. If a metal pipe gets dented during installation, it will corrode more rapidly. There are more points of failure, so reliability is diminished. Developers have pretty much made their bed on this issue. For decades, they have consistently cut corners or just ignored stormwater management, but now they want to be trusted to do more complex installations of cheaper materials. Lumpy is right that other materials can achieve the same strength and durability as RCP, but the critical characteristic in this context is reliability. Installation of RCP is routine. The pipes are precast and just need to be positioned. With other kinds of pipes, more skill is needed. Concrete might need to be poured or segments might need to be welded or glued. If a metal pipe gets dented during installation, it will corrode more rapidly. There are more points of failure, so reliability is diminished.

Developers have pretty much made their bed on this issue. For decades, they have consistently cut corners or just ignored stormwater management, but now they want to be trusted to do more complex installations of cheaper materials.

]]> by: Number9 http://knoxvilletennesseeblog.com/index.php/politics/two-important-columns-on-knox-county-stormwater/62/#comment-263 Wed, 25 Apr 2007 17:02:30 +0000 http://knoxvilletennesseeblog.com/index.php/politics/two-important-columns-on-knox-county-stormwater/62/#comment-263 persimmon, Markup is not Profit Margin. I know the HP engineering calculator doesn't have those functions but the math is pretty straight forward. As far as what is meant by quickly, it didn't take much time for Joe Simpson to correct Lumpy. The RCP (reinforced concrete pipe) is crucial to the debate. Please list any information about new space age materials that are superior to RCP. Was Lumpy right? Can developers save big money and not screw homeowners down stream? http://www.concrete-pipe.org/why.htm?cp_Session=8a442d80de115ed964b6cda3cefa57bf Stayed tuned as I will post some links to YouTube that will make your case on enforcement. persimmon,

Markup is not Profit Margin. I know the HP engineering calculator doesn’t have those functions but the math is pretty straight forward.

As far as what is meant by quickly, it didn’t take much time for Joe Simpson to correct Lumpy. The RCP (reinforced concrete pipe) is crucial to the debate. Please list any information about new space age materials that are superior to RCP. Was Lumpy right? Can developers save big money and not screw homeowners down stream?

http://www.concrete-pipe.org/why.htm?cp_Session=8a442d80de115ed964b6cda3cefa57bf

Stayed tuned as I will post some links to YouTube that will make your case on enforcement.

]]> by: persimmon http://knoxvilletennesseeblog.com/index.php/politics/two-important-columns-on-knox-county-stormwater/62/#comment-262 Wed, 25 Apr 2007 15:53:00 +0000 http://knoxvilletennesseeblog.com/index.php/politics/two-important-columns-on-knox-county-stormwater/62/#comment-262 Niner, your capacity for getting things wrong never disappoints. Joe Simpson did not quickly correct Lambert. Simpson almost missed the meeting entirely, showing up toward the end of the public comments session, and he said nothing about how much business the Kentucky firm does in East Tennessee. Also, the markup Jernigan cites is 400 percent, not 80 percent. The stormwater issue is so much more complex than whether reinforced concrete should be used. It's embarrassing how dominant that bickering has become and strong evidence of how narrowly the county focuses on developer interests. Enforcement is a much larger issue, and the RCP debate is an attempt to distract from that issue. Enforcement is not weak because the ordinance is toothless; it is weak because the enforcers, whether TDEC or the county, refuse to bite. Niner, your capacity for getting things wrong never disappoints. Joe Simpson did not quickly correct Lambert. Simpson almost missed the meeting entirely, showing up toward the end of the public comments session, and he said nothing about how much business the Kentucky firm does in East Tennessee.

Also, the markup Jernigan cites is 400 percent, not 80 percent.

The stormwater issue is so much more complex than whether reinforced concrete should be used. It’s embarrassing how dominant that bickering has become and strong evidence of how narrowly the county focuses on developer interests. Enforcement is a much larger issue, and the RCP debate is an attempt to distract from that issue. Enforcement is not weak because the ordinance is toothless; it is weak because the enforcers, whether TDEC or the county, refuse to bite.

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